Comments on: Driving Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2009/04/15/driving-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles/ A Future Look at Today Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:38:37 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ken Stremsky http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2009/04/15/driving-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles/comment-page-1/#comment-65621 Ken Stremsky Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:35:09 +0000 http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/?p=338#comment-65621 Great post. http://www.odemagazine.com/doc/62/japanese-fuel-cell has "Hydrogen in every home" by Winifred Bird I discuss dealing with the financial crisis and other topics on http://sites.google.com/site/kenstremsky/Home/global-thinking-expanded Great post.

http://www.odemagazine.com/doc/62/japanese-fuel-cell has

“Hydrogen in every home” by Winifred Bird

I discuss dealing with the financial crisis and other topics on

http://sites.google.com/site/kenstremsky/Home/global-thinking-expanded

]]> By: Roddy Young http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2009/04/15/driving-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles/comment-page-1/#comment-65614 Roddy Young Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:29:20 +0000 http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/?p=338#comment-65614 You've hit on one of the most important issues of our time, and before our country. We are a bit short on extra funds at the moment, but I would love to see a Manhattan-like Project to do what you say. For five reasons, we should be investing in this future, because the returns would be enormous: 1. Technology - we should be a leader in developing this IP so we can have... 2. Jobs - a strong technological lead in this area could help create hundreds, if not thousands of new jobs. 3. Energy Independence - it's time to do what those beautiful BP, Exxon and Chevron advertisements claim they're working on. I'd love to see the Obama Administration call on them to help make visible investments in our nation's energy infrastructure. Why do we give the oil companies a pass, and blame the car companies? Like Bob Lutz said, it's like blaming our collective obesity on the clothing manufacturers. 4. Environment - tailpipe emissions could be just water. It doesn't eliminate the carbon emissions in the total scheme of things, but it's a huge step in the right direction. 5. National Security - while there still would be humanitarian issues to address, at least we wouldn't be fighting wars over oil. You’ve hit on one of the most important issues of our time, and before our country. We are a bit short on extra funds at the moment, but I would love to see a Manhattan-like Project to do what you say. For five reasons, we should be investing in this future, because the returns would be enormous:
1. Technology – we should be a leader in developing this IP so we can have…
2. Jobs – a strong technological lead in this area could help create hundreds, if not thousands of new jobs.
3. Energy Independence – it’s time to do what those beautiful BP, Exxon and Chevron advertisements claim they’re working on. I’d love to see the Obama Administration call on them to help make visible investments in our nation’s energy infrastructure. Why do we give the oil companies a pass, and blame the car companies? Like Bob Lutz said, it’s like blaming our collective obesity on the clothing manufacturers.
4. Environment – tailpipe emissions could be just water. It doesn’t eliminate the carbon emissions in the total scheme of things, but it’s a huge step in the right direction.
5. National Security – while there still would be humanitarian issues to address, at least we wouldn’t be fighting wars over oil.

]]> By: david http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2009/04/15/driving-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles/comment-page-1/#comment-65608 david Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:51:19 +0000 http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/?p=338#comment-65608 Jack- Unless the federal government steps in as I have suggested, it will be a very slow growth, not reaching early stage noticeable scale until 2015 at the earliest. David Jack-

Unless the federal government steps in as I have suggested, it will be a very slow growth, not reaching early stage noticeable scale until 2015 at the earliest.

David

]]> By: Jack Altschuler http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2009/04/15/driving-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles/comment-page-1/#comment-65607 Jack Altschuler Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:49:08 +0000 http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/?p=338#comment-65607 Following Karl's comment, after your last post I spent a few minutes poking around the internet looking for information about what happens upstream of hydrogen being in the tank to feed a fuel cell. I recall comments a few years ago about the pollution and waste that is created isolating hydrogen and think that I read that the BTU of hydrogen produced is less than the BTU input requirement - that it's like ethanol, which takes 85,000 BTU's input to produce a gallon of ethanol with only 75,000 BTU's in it. What can you tell us about the hydrogen energy input requirement (is it upside down like ethanol?) and what pollution is created in generating a unit of hydrogen for cars? Thanks. Following Karl’s comment, after your last post I spent a few minutes poking around the internet looking for information about what happens upstream of hydrogen being in the tank to feed a fuel cell.

I recall comments a few years ago about the pollution and waste that is created isolating hydrogen and think that I read that the BTU of hydrogen produced is less than the BTU input requirement – that it’s like ethanol, which takes 85,000 BTU’s input to produce a gallon of ethanol with only 75,000 BTU’s in it. What can you tell us about the hydrogen energy input requirement (is it upside down like ethanol?) and what pollution is created in generating a unit of hydrogen for cars? Thanks.

]]> By: Karl Waldman http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2009/04/15/driving-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles/comment-page-1/#comment-65605 Karl Waldman Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:00:07 +0000 http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/?p=338#comment-65605 David, I enjoy your blog - however I'm not so sure about hydrogen cars -- too inefficient to get energy to the hydrogen stage. Great efficiency once you have hydrogen but tough to get there. The best way to think of hydrogen is as a "battery" that you have to regularly charge (fillup). This is quite useful - but just like batteries vs electrical outlet, you pay for the convenience of batteries. Electric cars do make sense given the right infrastructure. Shai Agassi's BetterPlace is one example. Thanks Karl David,

I enjoy your blog – however I’m not so sure about hydrogen cars — too inefficient to get energy to the hydrogen stage. Great efficiency once you have hydrogen but tough to get there. The best way to think of hydrogen is as a “battery” that you have to regularly charge (fillup). This is quite useful – but just like batteries vs electrical outlet, you pay for the convenience of batteries.

Electric cars do make sense given the right infrastructure. Shai Agassi’s BetterPlace is one example.

Thanks
Karl

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