Comments on: Make Global Warming an Economic Issue http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2006/11/07/make-global-warming-an-economic-issue/ A Future Look at Today Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:38:37 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: david http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2006/11/07/make-global-warming-an-economic-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-681 david Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:28:59 +0000 http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2006/11/07/make-global-warming-an-economic-issue/#comment-681 Great comments all. I think that we must continue to be loud and demanding. Always as any politician what he or she is doing regarding alternative energy and global warming. Be clear that your vote is 100% dependent on their answer. AS to the Stern report, there is absolutely no reason to not do something to slow and then reverse global warming. Period. Great comments all. I think that we must continue to be loud and demanding. Always as any politician what he or she is doing regarding alternative energy and global warming. Be clear that your vote is 100% dependent on their answer.

AS to the Stern report, there is absolutely no reason to not do something to slow and then reverse global warming. Period.

]]> By: andrew jones http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2006/11/07/make-global-warming-an-economic-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-631 andrew jones Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:01:06 +0000 http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2006/11/07/make-global-warming-an-economic-issue/#comment-631 David, The Stern report is highly disputed and apparently has been critisized by some of the climate scientests it qoutes. Here is Richard Tol's response to the report: http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/sternreview.doc here are some climate scientests on what's wrong with it: http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/000973sterns_cherry_picki.html That said the report is quite right when it says that current economic analysis don't take into feedback loops that have only recently been perfected and even the critic of the Stern report such as Richard Tol are still for mitigating co2 emissions now. David,

The Stern report is highly disputed and apparently has been critisized by some of the climate scientests it qoutes.
Here is Richard Tol’s response to the report:
http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/sternreview.doc
here are some climate scientests on what’s wrong with it:
http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/000973sterns_cherry_picki.html

That said the report is quite right when it says that current economic analysis don’t take into feedback loops that have only recently been perfected and even the critic of the Stern report such as Richard Tol are still for mitigating co2 emissions now.

]]> By: Tod Brilliant http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2006/11/07/make-global-warming-an-economic-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-619 Tod Brilliant Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:32:18 +0000 http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2006/11/07/make-global-warming-an-economic-issue/#comment-619 You make great points. Ever since the 1991 IPCC report, the impacts of climate change HAVE been framed economically. As Jeremy Leggett points out again and again in "Carbon Wars" politicians, insurance companies, economists, et cetera the world over have known of the economic impacts for over a decade. The Stern Report, while nothing truly new, at least comes at a time when the U.S. public is paying some (little) attention. For the E.U., there is nothing quite so interesting or dramatic about this report. Politicians won't listen to this report - they will only listen to their constituency (maybe). Pelosi laid out a six-point plan - did it include any significant environmental agenda? No. Why not? Because Dem voters do not consider environmental issues to be top of the slate. Clinton/Gore presided during Kyoto, yet actively sought to undermine this protocol. Why? No public support to offset massive corporate pressures. Now Gore runs around as some sort of high eco-priest which I find curious as, when he had the ability to act, he sat on his hands, thumbs lodged firmly. We need to be louder. We need to make immediate demands of our elected leaders. We must not celebrate this election as a victory. Instead, it must be recognized as an opportunity, a path to a possible victory. If we sit back down, like we did in 1992 and again in 1996, we will see no rapid advances and without these, we are , at least according to James Lovelock, Lester Brown, Monbiot, Kunstler, Elizabeth Kolbert and many others, utterly screwed. You make great points. Ever since the 1991 IPCC report, the impacts of climate change HAVE been framed economically. As Jeremy Leggett points out again and again in “Carbon Wars” politicians, insurance companies, economists, et cetera the world over have known of the economic impacts for over a decade. The Stern Report, while nothing truly new, at least comes at a time when the U.S. public is paying some (little) attention. For the E.U., there is nothing quite so interesting or dramatic about this report. Politicians won’t listen to this report – they will only listen to their constituency (maybe). Pelosi laid out a six-point plan – did it include any significant environmental agenda? No. Why not? Because Dem voters do not consider environmental issues to be top of the slate. Clinton/Gore presided during Kyoto, yet actively sought to undermine this protocol. Why? No public support to offset massive corporate pressures. Now Gore runs around as some sort of high eco-priest which I find curious as, when he had the ability to act, he sat on his hands, thumbs lodged firmly.

We need to be louder. We need to make immediate demands of our elected leaders. We must not celebrate this election as a victory. Instead, it must be recognized as an opportunity, a path to a possible victory. If we sit back down, like we did in 1992 and again in 1996, we will see no rapid advances and without these, we are , at least according to James Lovelock, Lester Brown, Monbiot, Kunstler, Elizabeth Kolbert and many others, utterly screwed.

]]> By: Lobes http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2006/11/07/make-global-warming-an-economic-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-601 Lobes Thu, 09 Nov 2006 04:29:05 +0000 http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2006/11/07/make-global-warming-an-economic-issue/#comment-601 Very good point David. But in addition to fearing economic trouble in the future people should open up to all the possibilities that an energy shift could bring. The difficulty is that Global Warming is a diabolical PR problem. It moves extremely slowly. Despite intermittent red flags like the breakup of the ice caps or the Stern report most of the damage takes place in increments too slow or abstract to capture our attention. And we are called on to make sacrifices now for payoff in the distant future. With that in mind the consumer should be given incentives to invest in green energy. Whether it be installing their own windmills and solar panels or buying their electricity from a company that uses geothermal or something similar to provide it. Supposing we developed a new cheap, clean, easily available power source I am sure it would provide a massive spike to economies everywhere. One thing I do fear getting heavily penalised though is airlines. The current price of a plane ticket is much too low if you include the cost to the climate that jet fuel burnt at high altitude does. Very good point David. But in addition to fearing economic trouble in the future people should open up to all the possibilities that an energy shift could bring.

The difficulty is that Global Warming is a diabolical PR problem. It moves extremely slowly. Despite intermittent red flags like the breakup of the ice caps or the Stern report most of the damage takes place in increments too slow or abstract to capture our attention. And we are called on to make sacrifices now for payoff in the distant future.

With that in mind the consumer should be given incentives to invest in green energy. Whether it be installing their own windmills and solar panels or buying their electricity from a company that uses geothermal or something similar to provide it.

Supposing we developed a new cheap, clean, easily available power source I am sure it would provide a massive spike to economies everywhere.

One thing I do fear getting heavily penalised though is airlines. The current price of a plane ticket is much too low if you include the cost to the climate that jet fuel burnt at high altitude does.

]]> By: Paul Drago http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2006/11/07/make-global-warming-an-economic-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-600 Paul Drago Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:08:51 +0000 http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2006/11/07/make-global-warming-an-economic-issue/#comment-600 David, 1% worldwide gross a year doesn't seem like a major commitment. I'm not 100% sure a concentrated and global effort is necessary. Since America is the primary culprit-- I think a shift within our own countries policies would be an incredible step in the right direction. -Paul David,

1% worldwide gross a year doesn’t seem like a major commitment. I’m not 100% sure a concentrated and global effort is necessary. Since America is the primary culprit– I think a shift within our own countries policies would be an incredible step in the right direction.

-Paul

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